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      the best part of the story is that he resigned.

      The worst part is he killed a dude over an acorn and probably should be in jail.

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        The worst part is he killed a dude

        It’s simultaneously better and worse than that. The suspect in the cruiser wasn’t hit. This means that not only can the officer not tell the difference between an acorn and small arms fire, but that he was also unable to hit a restrained target at very close range. The only thing keeping us safe from police incompetence is police incompetence.

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    Iirc the sign in the picture says they don’t accept customers that walked there. You must drive.

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      Now I want to know more about that sign. Why won’t the serve them? Is it a drive through

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        Convenience store or something. If you don’t drive you must be poor and/or a shoplifter.

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    Thankfully I survived due to the officer’s poor aim, but a ricochet hit my spine and now I’m paralyzed with $800,000 medical debt

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    I love sending shit like the acorn video to one of the group chats I’m in, because my wife’s friend is a big believer in “not all cops” and “only a few bad apples”

    There’s always some excuse as to why it’s actually perfectly reasonable and justified.

    Can’t really justify mag dumping over a particularly loud tink of an acorn. Lots of silence about that one.

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      How does this prove all cops are bad though? For that cop that mag dumped due to an acorn there has been thousands that made a better decision in a similar situation.

      There is no justification for the acorn incident but I don’t see how the incident proves they are all bad apples.

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        It doesn’t, but the person they’re talking about apparently has a history of defending the bad ones. This event was so egregious even they couldn’t come up with anything.

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        this one is just trigger-happy incompetence, but the phrase “a few bad apples” ends with “spoil the whole barrel” and the police are a perfect example of that. The way they close ranks and try to protect one another from responsibility for really egregious shit means that not every cop is a criminal, but that every cop ignores crimes that other cops commit.

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      my wife’s friend is a big believer in “not all cops” and “only a few bad apples”

      does your wife’s friend know how the phrase “a few bad apples” ends?

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        Well if she didn’t before, me replying with the entire phrase every time she says “bad apple” in reference to cops informed her.

        I never understood why that phrase was ever used as if it were an excuse.

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          I never understood why that phrase was ever used as if it were an excuse.

          A thought-terminating cliche is a rhetorical device intended to end a discussion without actually resolving it. The idea is to say something that the other party more or less has to agree to without regard to whether it actually has any bearing on the discussion at hand, and then refuse to discuss further. This makes it seem like the discussion is over and, as the last person who scored a point, you’ve won. “It’s just a few bad apples” is one. “Let’s agree to disagree” is another. Trump almost singlehandedly invented one in the phrase “fake news”, which is ostensibly intended to mean “I don’t trust the source of that information” but is often used in an infinite regression where everything unfriendly to the arguer is fake news. It’s basically a deus ex machina for arguments; a way to escape a corner you’ve been backed into without ever admitting that you were wrong about anything.

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      Plus his partner ran out and also fired her weapon without even knowing what the threat was (which I know because there was no threat to shoot at). She didn’t dump her mag at least, but I find that part to be just as alarming, or even more so, than the one who panicked about the acorn. She saw other cop shooting and just joined in by making a guess at what they were shooting at.

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        Second idiot didn’t know about the acorn, he just joined in shooting ‘must be justified’ mentality.

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          They both fired real bullets at real bystanders because of an imagined threat. Neither of them demonstrated judgement sufficient to be trusted with a badge or a gun, much less both.

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            Considering that a good chunk of police training is “Us VS Them” and “You gotta be quick on the draw if you want to see your wife and kids tonight” I can’t really blame the Acorn guy. He’s a product of the environment he was trained in. Any one of those windows could have a sniper in it. You don’t know who the detained person has backing him up. Kids with bikes can roll up on you and shoot you faster and easier than a squad of gangbangers can do a drive-by. Suspect could have smuggled a pistol with him and gotten loose.

            The fact is, we train police to be afraid of everything, and then we give them a gun and send them out into society. This was a predictable result.

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              Considering that a good chunk of police training is “Us VS Them” and “You gotta be quick on the draw if you want to see your wife and kids tonight” I can’t really blame the Acorn guy.

              Every part of that is bad.

              Here’s my hot take, and I know it’s not a popular opinion: Blue lives don’t matter. At least, not as much as civilian lives.

              Kids with bikes can roll up on you and shoot you. That sucks, but that’s not any sort of justification for the use of force. Being a cop is a dangerous job. It’s why they get badges and guns and training. Criminals don’t want to be caught, and many of them will kill someone to avoid capture.

              This shouldn’t be news to anyone over the age of seven.

              The entire reason a civilized society should tolerate police at all is that they are protecting lives. Yes, I know that the SCOTUS has declared that “Protect and Serve” is a non-binding bit of marketing, and their real function is protecting capital in a violent economic system. But the stated reason for police existing is ostensibly to keep civilians safe from criminals. It would be stupid to create a police force merely to keep police safe from criminals.

              And I’ll bet most police officers would agree with me.

              I’ll bet if you asked 100 police officers, “would you risk your life to save a child?” you’d get 99 out of 100 saying yes to that. 99 out of 100, and that last officer is probably that one asshole that nobody wants to work with.

              If you were less specific, I bet the number goes down slightly. “Would you risk your life to save a civilian?” The answer should be the same, but I’m a realist and recognize that there might be a small minority that don’t want to.

              But those people should be cops. Heroism should be an absolute minimum standard for anyone wanting the job.

              But here’s the real problem. I’ll bet, without having any evidence to back it up, that if you asked 100 cops, “would you risk your life for a criminal?” the ratio would reverse, and you’d have a majority saying no.

              But criminals are civilians. Police should extend the same levels of altruism and civic duty to every person, even suspected criminals.

              Police are not juries or executioners.

              Of course police should be empowered to defend themselves. But defense is never pre-emptive.

              So if 100 individual kids roll up to 100 individual cops, it is absolutely unacceptable for the police to shoot even one innocent child. It is absolutely unacceptable to mistake one candybar for a gun or a knife. It doesn’t matter if 99 of those kids shoot 99 of those cops, because the one civilian life matters. Ergo, the lives of the police do not.

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          I’ll give no. 2 a bit of the benefit of the doubt. Your partner starts shooting, the only reasonable training to receive is that you should also be acquiring the same target and shooting.

          The whole thing needs to be structured and trained so that you can actually trust your partner to only start shooting if there’s an actual reason. At the end of the day, you’re (the officers) a team, and any team is as good as the shittiest teammate, and those shitty ones need to be held accountable.

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            Your partner starts shooting, the only reasonable training to receive is that you should also be acquiring the same target and shooting

            Yeah, I’m not giving the dude any credit for mag dumping into the car at a non-existent target. Dude could have killed someone because he just started blasting at a random target just because his partner was jumpy.

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    I went for a walk at like 10pm in my hometown the first winter break I was home from college, just on the main two non-residential streets that downtown consists of, fully on the sidewalks with all the streetlights on. I got stopped and IDed and grilled by one cop who pulled over, and then called for another cop to come back him up. And they both were so angrily asking me question after question about why I was outside walking at night “suspiciously” I had no idea what was going on and asked, “why are you interrogating me for walking? Did someone just commit a crime and you’re trying to find them?” I really believed like an idiot they were acting in good faith, but one grabbed my forearm and asked me why I would ask something like that, had I just committed a crime? I was incredulous. They let me go on my way after like 20 minutes of that and told me “go for walks earlier.” I didn’t even think to get angry about it for a day or so while I was processing how lucky I felt to not be arrested, when I realized, arrested for what? I was just walking.

    It’s been decades but every time a cop talks to me (pulled over for speeding), I think about that. Some of my family members are cops and I still know ACAB. When I mentioned it to one of them he tried to justify it with, “maybe he was having a bad day,” and told me, “you don’t know what you’re talking about,” when I told him how psychotic it sounded to justify someone taking out their bad day by bullying a random person who didn’t have the ability to leave the situation, and just had to “legally” be at their mercy.

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    “You fit the description of a suspect.”

    “The description is white male between 5’5” and 6’5" wearing jeans and a t shirt."

    “SHOTS FIRED! SHOTS FIRED! OFFICER DOWN!”

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    Completely unrealistic. No cop in the USA would ever think you need a license to walk, or care about it.

    Now if the cop accused OP of the terrible crime of jaywalking then I might believe it.

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    And then they clapped.

    EDIT, for context: there is [used to?] be a meme in 4chan that Americans clapped for random shit, such as when the movie ends. Likely bullshit, but I’m poking fun at that meme.