By recognizing it’s not winnable without full-scale NATO mobilization and therefore we should stop sabotaging peace talks and just get a deal done so we can stop throwing Ukranian men into the meat grinder?
Don’t worry, western Europe is doing its thing. It’s electing fascists like Putin to create even more such wars. It’s the preferred alternative to Socialism for neoliberals, conservatives and social-democrats anyway
FYI, I’m not Ukrainian. I’m Romanian. We have more skin in the game than Germany or France though. If Ukraine falls, Moldova falls 24 hours later, and allowing our brother country to go back under Russian domination is pretty unthinkable.
Even without that existential issue, allowing democratically minded Europeans trying to walk the same path we walked 25 years ago get invaded by Russia without as much help as we can give them seems horrific to me.
I do feel for the Russian people that will suffer Putin’s decisions, but i personally wouldn’t concede one bit of Ukrainian soil to that fucker.
I wish my country was helping. That said, as a French without any skin in the game, let me tell you we don’t even have skin in our own games. (If you followed any news of us you know)
It’s not like any of us are ever being asked what to do. And I do genuinely fear our so called democracies are gonna implode. And when they do, diplomacy with Russia will get bad for everyone.
This period of peace in Western Europe is pretty special and I would like to keep it that way, thx
This period of war in Eastern Europe is pretty shit and I would like Western Europe to take it more seriously, thx
So you’re saying we should invade Poland?
I mean there was a meme about the German Army was sending troops to Poland.
Jap, hier: https://lemmy.ca/post/29326078
By recognizing it’s not winnable without full-scale NATO mobilization and therefore we should stop sabotaging peace talks and just get a deal done so we can stop throwing Ukranian men into the meat grinder?
Don’t worry, western Europe is doing its thing. It’s electing fascists like Putin to create even more such wars. It’s the preferred alternative to Socialism for neoliberals, conservatives and social-democrats anyway
Western Europe getting involved could be so much worse.
Let’s remind ourselves you fight for your country, we on the other hand have nuclear weapons and rising fascism all over…
So in account of humanity thanks for keeping Russia’s shit out.
FYI, I’m not Ukrainian. I’m Romanian. We have more skin in the game than Germany or France though. If Ukraine falls, Moldova falls 24 hours later, and allowing our brother country to go back under Russian domination is pretty unthinkable.
Even without that existential issue, allowing democratically minded Europeans trying to walk the same path we walked 25 years ago get invaded by Russia without as much help as we can give them seems horrific to me.
To be clear i agree.
I do feel for the Russian people that will suffer Putin’s decisions, but i personally wouldn’t concede one bit of Ukrainian soil to that fucker.
I wish my country was helping. That said, as a French without any skin in the game, let me tell you we don’t even have skin in our own games. (If you followed any news of us you know)
It’s not like any of us are ever being asked what to do. And I do genuinely fear our so called democracies are gonna implode. And when they do, diplomacy with Russia will get bad for everyone.
That’s because the EU was created with the purpose of making an interconnected market where going to war is simply way too costly.
As the other commenter said, there is a war in Europe though.
Ah but don’t forget, we in the UK left the EU. Bo Jo already considered invading the Netherlands once.
Oh man, that’d go over well. I wanna see those battleplans.
France: “We haven’t gone to war with Germany in decades!”
Me: “What about Libya?”
France: …
Me: “Algeria? Argentina? Rwanda? The Ivory Coast? Somalia? Chad? Basque Country? Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia?”
France: sound of FAMAS F1 cocking
Achtually the french army doesn’t use FAMAS anymore and they replaced them with german made HK416.
Not gonna argue about the rest though
First Elsass-Lothringen, now Heckler & Koch… when are they going to stop taking our stuff?
(Yes, I know the actual history is more complex. I’m just memeing.)