Isn’t jail just slavery according to the 13th amendment? Iirc at least.
The prison complex doesn’t want you to call it that, but yes. The 13th amendment makes a specific exception for slavery if the person is imprisoned. That’s why prisoners “work” for way below minimum wage in a variety of jobs that they probably didn’t choose. Not to mention that the majority of prisoners are people of color…
Only if they force you to work.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
(emphasis mine)
That is correct. Not sure if you were trying to dispute my comment but to clarify, the remark I was making is that slavery =/= imprisonment on its own. Slavery = imprisonment + work.
It is torture on its own, which might be the more critical point. The extent varies, but spending time in most of the world’s prisons still break your mental health in ways that will only make reintegration back into society harder in the end.
We almost all know this already, which is the tragic part.
spending time in most of the world’s prisons still break your mental health in ways that will only make reintegration back into society harder in the end.
True only in specific cases: mostly your statement is bullshit.
There are far, far too many innocent people in prison: far too many who never deserve to be there. Many who fit the description of harder to reintegrate after the experience.
But prison absolutely can be the right thing for some. There are criminals who will not reintegrate without reform, and the prison system serves that purpose in more enlightened countries. Look at recidivism rates outside of the US to see how some people can reform with time away from society.
We need prisons. I expect 90% of people in prison are worse off from the experience but that 10% is important to society.
I’m not at all excusing it, but don’t prisoners technically get paid for their work? It’s just some horrifically pathetic wage like $0.50/hr or something like that.
Earning a pittance doesn’t mean they’re not slaves. They’re slaves because they can’t quit. Prisoners have basically zero agency in their lives.
Slavery doesn’t have anything to do with compensation. Slavery is about the absence of choice.
You are not wrong
Worker’s rights, unions, and the choice to quit…
Well in the US it is I guess
what is the alternative
Not… slavery?
what do you want to happen to people who commit crimes then
Not… Slavery? Nobody said prisoners need to be used as slave labour. The removal of freedom is sufficient punishment.
this is actually my plan (minus the sex 3 times a day of course) for later in my life, ideally without the going to prison part.
Your “plan” is to not live with your parents, read books, and workout? Feel free to get started, boss.
my plan ist to live a happy and healthy life. living with my parents and going to work hinders me from doing exactly that. i might have the opprtunity to not have to work, so i will gladly do that.
feel free to continue living your hateful life. but i won’t. i want to change.
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It’s funny and all, but you have to work in a real prison. Just like you do in the office. The difference is that by the end of the day you leave the office and enjoy your hard earned money. But when you’re working in prison, you are still in prison by the end of the day. And you don’t get money, because fuck you, that’s why.
Well if you are in prison, most time’s you deserve that IMHO
About 45% of people in prisons are in on drug charges and 5% are in on immigration charges (according to the Beareu of Prisons). So that’s a third to half on BS charges alone since many drug charges are for possession.
most people in prison in america (which is clearly what this meme is referring to) dont deserve to be in prison
They don’t deserver thay of course. I was thinking of people who made actual heavy and hideous crimes.
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