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        Many of them still have privately held slaves. As you can be forced into slavery as punishment for a crime and all but Louisiana, North Carolina, and Arkansas have private prisons.

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    state’s rights

    wanted the federal government to override the rights of free states

    made slavery mandatory rather than leaving it up to the states

    tried to flat-out steal entire states using violence

    Like every conservative, when they talk about freedom they’re only talking about their freedom to do what they want, and their freedom to make you do what they want using violence.

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    IMHO the bigger gotcha on the “states’ rights” lie is that the Confederate constitution gave states no more rights than the US constitution, while specifically denying one: the right to abolish slavery within their borders.

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      I tend to consider him right in basically all his criticisms, misguided in formulating the solutions.

      Presumably he ran into the trouble a lot of generous, intelligent, and honest people have, they assume everyone is basically like them other than circumstance and stress.

      And, obviously you can trust a fellow socialist to run the vanguard states, right?

      They get it. Heirarchy bad, racism bad, sexism bad, he’s been over this!

      Or perhaps he was simply, like everyone, merely a product of his time. The workers of his day were barely literate, every state other than America and France (depending on what exact year we’re talking) were absolute monarchies, etc etc etc.

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      “We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.”

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    I am not American so I never understood that phrase. A state’s rights? Who gives a shit about a state? Isn’t everything about human rights like it always have been?

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      well, i think the idea is generally that Americans like issues to be decided at a state level rather than federally due to general “small government” principles, like they can trust their state level government to be more specifically beholden to their interests. this is usually in a right wing context, but not always, like famously California has much stricter environmental regulations than the rest of the country.

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          Federalism is a complex topic. Some things are done better In a central way, and some are done better distributed.

          Uniform regulation of commerce and military protection is really efficient.

          At the time, there was no practical way for one body to make meaningful policy to manage both new York and south Carolina at the same time.

          You can basically look at what the EU is doing and that’s why the states did it too, just starting with “shit we need money, a navy and soldiers” rather than "can we all just agree on food standards and currency?”

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      It’s the 10th amendment. All other 9 amendments and many thereafter are in relation to human rights.

      And states rights and human rights can actually go hand in hand, as seen by state legislatures that have passed assisted suicide, same-sex marriage, and legal cannabis laws. It has also been used to ensure electors cast their vote for the nominee or candidate who received the most votes from the people.

      Unfortunately it’s also been co-opted as a racist, misogynist dog whistle.

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    Interesting to hear that trying to annex places against the will of the people there is bad. Don’t think everyone claiming to follow Marx followed that rule lol

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        In his book, he charts the course of human history and tries to predict where it will end up. He comes to the conclusion that a violent revolution will soon come to pass as the workers overthrow their bosses and start sharing resources.

        “Soon come to pass” was 150 years ago, the Revolution hasn’t happened. Marxist scholars since then have been recreating the letters between early Christians asking why He hadn’t returned yet as promised and pushing the date of the Second Coming back.

        In my opinion, Marx wrote his conclusion first, then cherry picked the points in history that supported his conclusion.

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          There hasn’t been any anti-capitalist revolutions in the last 150 year.

          Maybe read a history book?

          I seems to recall the US losing a war to communists in the 1970s for instance.

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            any

            I don’t think their point was that no revolution has happened but the revolution to change it all didn’t happen like he assumed

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              Marx didn’t consider capitalists holding the world hostage with nuclear weapons

              plenty of successful revolutions did occur though, just not in places under the control of the ‘west’

              very chauvinistic view to hold IMO