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  • Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    18 U.S.C. § 242: Makes it a crime to willfully deprive someone of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States

    Ok, that is a ton of reading. However, the point of this is to actually define what freedom of speech actually is.

    You are free to tell your employer to fuck off and pound sand, but you will get fired. That is a consequence of words. The government won’t step in if you weren’t threatening anyone. You and your employer have specific rights in that regard.

    In the US, you can go on the news and call anyone in the government stupid and they can’t do their jobs or that one party is incompetent. You might lose or gain friends from that, which is still a consequence.

    Also in the US, if you directly threaten a person with physical harm and if intent of action can be shown, you are going to be arrested. Your words have now become an infringement on the rights of someone else.

    I am just clarifying things, s’all.

    Having a mouth and being able to speak words is a thing. You are “free to say words” and nobody can legally sew your mouth shut and make you incapable of talking.

    When those words become a threat, someone else must now have their rights protected. This is mostly where the limitations on “Freedom of Speech” come from.

    I am pulling this conversation back a hair to define what we are talking about as it’s easy to mix terms on social media.


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    Ok. Let’s break this down: Your definition and interpretation of free speech is irrelevant. You can interpret anything however you want whenever you want and that is fine. Your arguments may not hold up in court and you cannot force that definition on others because you believe you are enlightened.

    As broken as our legal system is, it is all we have for now. As such, you need to understand that the only definition of free speech that matters is the one that has been interpreted by a court of law.

    Here ya go: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethel_School_District_v._Fraser

    You can keep babbling on like a SovCit if you want, but you need to understand our legal system and how rights work, especially for minors.


  • What we are saying is that you can say anything you want but there should be reasonable limits.

    Freedom of speech covers most opinions and ideas except when words present a direct threat to others.

    China can and does censor things on a broad scale and as an example, calling the government or dictator stupid would probably get you tossed in jail. That is not freedom of speech.


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    Minors have limited rights anyway, but mostly in the voting side of things. An adult is defined as someone who has reached the “age of majority”. After that, they are free to make adult decisions and be fully accountable for their actions.

    Schools are basically forced to accept responsibility for kids for a number of hours per day. As such, schools must create a safe environment for all students and maintain some kind of order and ensure the rights of other kids aren’t infringed.

    Me exercising my rights can never infringe on the rights of others. Many people don’t understand that.


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    Anyone can say anything they want at any time. What people forget is that words may come with consequences.

    Schools must have rules for a number of reasons, mainly because they are full of kids. Dress codes for schools apply across all students and must not discriminate. So, if a school has a rule that any words can’t be on shirts, no child can have words on their shirt.

    Here is a breakdown for you: https://www.freedomforum.org/school-dress-codes/

    What you are talking about has been in the courts a number of times.




  • Well, a direct invasion of the US is a bad option and the world knows this.

    The problem is with Russia is state controlled media. If Putin was eliminated, the world probably wouldn’t know for at least a week and that would give their media enough time to tell the public who else they should like instead. It wouldn’t surprise me if there is a pre-recorded video of Putin “stepping down” or “retiring”.

    If you have ever watched Russian state media, you will see they are probably worse than the Ministry of Truth. Their panel discussions are disgusting, actually. Four or five different people, with four or five different “views” that all converge on the same exact points: West evil, Putin god, Russia war machine invinsible, Russians have the best society on earth, everyone else is a nazi.

    (I don’t want to exclude the rest of the worlds media either. Most major outlets have their own agendas for sure, but Russians probably get the most blatant version. They don’t even hide it.)



  • “Your TV has become a digital billboard.”

    It’s been a digital billboard for at least 40 years of my life. Radio was no different, so be sure to drink your Ovaltine.

    Have you never seen a commercial before? Cheap subsidized hardware? Bloatware loaded on phones? Bloatware on TVs? Games that require 5 mins of ad time? Google’s crippling of Chrome to break ad blockers? Unskippable ads on YouTube? Sponsored ad spots in YouTube videos? All the 3rd party logos on Smart TV boxes? Product placements in movies? Ad placements before the movie starts? The list goes on.

    The entire entertainment industry is based around advertising. Every delivery platform is designed to show you ads first and entertainment second.

    People have problems figuring that out?