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  • mydude@lemmy.worldtoMemes@lemmy.ml•Hey, maybe poor people don't deserve to starve?
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    9 months ago

    “You gave an example of people saying a thing. That doesn’t make it leftist or not.”

    I gave you a quote from Norways FHI (equivalent to USA HHS), citing the rules of, “My body, my choice”, proving that the most leftist stance is to have FULL bodily autonomy without any vaccine cut-outs. Norway is to the left of USA, certainly regarding these rules.

    There are no if’s or but’s about this, I don’t think you can get this any clearer than these words: “Vaccination is voluntary. All vaccination in Norway is voluntary. People who are recommended or ask for a vaccine must be given sufficient information about the advantages and disadvantages of vaccination to be able to make an informed choice. There must also be openness about uncertainty and possible lack of knowledge.”

    It’s directly from their fhi.no official government webpage.

    Those are my arguments that “My body, my choice” is as far left as you come.

    I can add that we have a cut-out for this rule. The only way a doctor can over step the wishes of his patient is if the patient actively pursues actions that will result in intentionally self harm. And no, this does not include a person not taking vaccinations.

  • mydude@lemmy.worldtoMemes@lemmy.ml•Hey, maybe poor people don't deserve to starve?
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    9 months ago

    I thought I would be nicer to you than I was to the previous guy I answered. I wrote; “Translate it and weep”. Here is the translation;

    Vaccination is voluntary. All vaccination in Norway is voluntary. People who are recommended or ask for a vaccine must be given sufficient information about the advantages and disadvantages of vaccination to be able to make an informed choice. There must also be openness about uncertainty and possible lack of knowledge.

  • mydude@lemmy.worldtoMemes@lemmy.ml•Hey, maybe poor people don't deserve to starve?
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    9 months ago

    You can call me whatever you like. Here is a text about the differences between ethics and laws, taken from a dentist journal, but the same laws apply here.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jopr.13493

    In general, the courts have determined how ethical principles translate into the requirements for how healthcare providers obtain a patient’s consent for treatment. Consent from a legal perspective involves respecting the “bodily integrity of the individual.” This dimension emanates from the philosophy of personal autonomy, defined as “an individual’s capacity for self-determination or self-governance” or “the capacity to decide for oneself and pursue a course of action in one’s life.” The courts view the informed consent requirement for a healthcare provider as a requirement to disclose sufficient information for the patient to make a “controlled decision before undergoing irreversible treatment.”, A patient’s consent must be voluntary, meaning “no coercion or unfair persuasion and inducements” and can be withdrawn at any time.

    There is no special cut-out for vaccination within the law. In this context a vaccine would be defined as “irreversible [medical] treatment”.

  • mydude@lemmy.worldtoMemes@lemmy.ml•Hey, maybe poor people don't deserve to starve?
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    9 months ago

    “Believe in science”, that’s anti-science. “My body, my choice” has always been in context of abortion, and viewed as left wing. Here it’s the exact same words, the exact same meaning in context of taking an experimental redefined definition of a vaccine. It’s in this setting that characters make or breaks. If you cannot uphold your values when they matter, you don’t have values, you have hobbies.