The point people are making is that communication and discipline, both things that require time and skill, would be a better, less invasive approach.
Perhaps that’s being done as well?
But even if it is, that approach doesn’t work with all people, no matter how skillful or how much time is put into it.
If it did, then the world would be a perfect place by now. Indeed, many things are better - but there’s enough people hard at work sowing discontent and hate to ensure it isn’t.
Bless you for being an optimist, but I don’t think it works like that. I really wish it did though.
True - although just because you are paranoid, that doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you…
Agree - after they started bundling adware in downloads (2013ish?), all the decent projects seemed to move to github en masse.
Those projects that stayed were mostly already stagnant, or the maintainers didn’t use git and didn’t want to learn, or had some other reason that allowed them to accept advertising on their work.
Simple and reliable has a lot to be said for it.
(Ignoring the ageist and sexist “old men” statements in this thread because it’s irrelevant)
They will die out,
… and be replaced with other technically invested people who are resistant to change. Such as with every massive project ever - at least until you get a tyrant who ignores the feelings and work of of others and is in a position to push through their own vision.
And hopefully will continue to be asked, because one day it may not be poor OPSEC.
OP is on OpenWRT
Fair point - I missed that, buried in the comments as it was.
In that scenario, you use what’s available, I guess.
OP said they just want to copy a binary around. Can you do that with perl?
This is linux. Someone will have done it.
Wow, you’re a dick.
Try it now - go on. Type “perl” and tell me what you get.
And if you’re so certain it’s not used, try removing it and see how well your computer works afterwards.
I work at scale - deploying scripts to hundreds of linux machines and any package you install will be multiplied that many times on the backend storage. You don’t get the luxury of installing anything that isn’t essential.
Try it now - type perl. It’s a dependency on a huge amount of core system tools.
Can’t say I’ve noticed much pain beyond what I mention - powershell just works.
Um, exactly the opposite on all the distros I use. All Enterprise Linux distros, Suse and Debian.
So often the right answer, perl. It’s a shame that it’s so unfashionable these days.
Perl is a step up in terms of developer comfort, but it’s at the same time too big and too awkward to use.
How do you mean?
It’s already on nearly every distro, so there’s no core size unless you lean into modules. The scripts aren’t exactly big either.
Oh dude, you are so wrong!
Powershell is available for linux and will run the same modules that have made it such a success on Windows. Want to fire up vmware containers or get a list of vms? Want to talk to Exchange servers? Azure? AWX? $large-corporate-thing? Powershell is a very good tool for that, even if it smells very Microsofty.
The linux version works well - it has some quirks (excessive logging, a MS repo that needs manual approving that breaks automatic updates) but aside from those, it just works. I have several multi-year scripts that tick away nicely in the background.
Python is what you want. You can install it on just about any system.
Perl and bash are already there, no need to install anything.
I’m inclined to give Linux more benefit of the doubt than, say, Windows. That’s because of the motives behind it.
Microsoft have a very long history of making design choices in their software that users don’t like, and quite often that’s because it suits their interests more than their customers. They are a commercial business that exists to benefit itself, after all. Same with Apple. Money spoils everything pure, after all. You mention privacy, but that’s just one more example of someone wanting to benefit financially from you - it’s just in a less transparent and more open-ended way than paying them some cash.
Linux, because that monetary incentive is far less, is usually designed simply “to be better”. The developers are often primary users of the software. Sure - sometimes developers make choices that confuses users, but that over-arching driving business interest just isn’t there.