• BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Are you denying the existence of AIPAC?

    The US government is controlled by Israel,

    Yes that is antisemitic nonsense, but it also doesn’t make any sense leaving that aside. You’re saying the global imperialist hegemon is controlled by an appendage of its own policy. You’re giving a pass to the US for it’s policy and part in genocide by saying its “controled” by Isreal.

    It is of course the other way around. Isreal destabilizes the Middle East toward the equilibrium the US favors. The US uses Isreal, its not controled by it

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      Yes that is antisemitic nonsense, but it also doesn’t make any sense leaving that aside.

      So are you denying that

      we “need” them to extend our sphere of influence to the Middle East, and they launder money from the people to the politicians

      Or did you specifically leave the context out because you can’t refute it?

      It’s anti-semitic and doesn’t make sense?

      So far this cycle, an AIPAC-endorsed candidate has won in every district (322 races) where an endorsee was on the ballot.

      All 129 AIPAC-backed Democrats who have had their primary races in 2024 have won.

      193 AIPAC-backed Republicans have won their elections.

      https://www.aipacpac.org/2024election

      You’re saying the global imperialist hegemon is controlled by an appendage of its own policy.

      I’m saying the global imperialist hegemon created a base for pushing and encouraging their global imperialist policies and that includes pushing said policies back to the homeland.

      The whole works to ensure the individual stays in line.

      You’re giving a pass to the US for it’s policy and part in genocide by saying its “controled” by Isreal.

      How? “Just doing my job” didn’t absolve Nazis and SS soldiers, it doesn’t absolve the US.

      I personally do believe the US would prefer the genocide not be happening, as it’s bad for business, especially during an election year where more eyes are on politics.

      But the rest of what Israel brings is too valuable to the US global goals, so it goes along with Israel to preserve that and is therefore controlled on issues that Israel chooses to exert control over.

      The US could theoretically not allow themselves to be controlled. But that’s not the reality.

      It is of course the other way around. Isreal destabilizes the Middle East toward the equilibrium the US favors. The US uses Isreal, its not controled by it

      And Israel does this for nothing in return? Just like they give money to specific politicians for nothing in return?

      It’s a mutual relationship. btw…

      Are absolving Israel of its role in the genocide by saying it’s just a tool of the US?..

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          Apologies, you are right actually.

          Israel doesn’t control the US.

          BOTH are controlled by the will of the bourgeois and this is as far as any analysis is allowed to go, doing any further analysis would be nonsense.

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                  You’re really pretending you can’t see the trope you’ve tripled down on? Its ZOG.

                  I don’t think it’s anti-semitic to observe the reality around us, the fact that ZOG exists doesn’t mean I can’t observe the ways in which Israel exerts control over US politics and opinions. As I pointed out in another comment, they provided historical funding to a pro-israel candidate to oppose Cori Bush, is it “Zog” to point out that Israel exerted control there?

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          the rest of what Israel brings is too valuable to the US global goals, so it goes along with Israel to preserve that and is therefore controlled on issues that Israel chooses to exert control over.

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                It is not a strawman you are literally doubling and tripling down on an antisemitic trope known as ZOG. It is an unambiguously neo-Nazi talking point self crit my dude.

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                  Is it anti-semitic “Zog” narrative to say that Israel bought, and therefore control the outcomes in, Missouri District ? (Cori Bush lost to a pro-israel candidate which attained historical funding from AIPAC)

                  Edit: it’s not black and white where Israel controls America OR America controls Israel.

                  They both control each other in different ways/on different issues. It’s not anti-semitic to point out the fact that Israel exerts control over the US sometimes.