• Sybil@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    It honestly feels like this is a cheap rhetorical dismissal because you don’t want to compare what the actual material benefits of socialist revolutions are vs anarchist revolutions.

    that’s not what you proposed to use as a metric. i’m not sure how to quantify them and, frankly, or what a good measure would be, i guess.

    i do know that i don’t trust anyone else to decide how i keep myself fed and safe. given the choice in constructing a revolution, i would empower individuals to a maximum degree and destroy concentrations of power wherever they’re found.

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      8 months ago

      i do know that i don’t trust anyone else to decide how i keep myself fed and safe.

      Thats some right libertarian hyper-individualist hogwash. Stop being alienated from your fellow workers.

      i would empower individuals to a maximum degree and destroy concentrations of power wherever they’re found.

      So, let’s say the workers form Soviets. Those Soviets have to be destroyed, right?

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        8 months ago

        So, let’s say the workers form Soviets. Those Soviets have to be destroyed, right?

        it is going to depend, isn’t it? are the soviets operated with consent and consensus?

        i already explained i have no illusions that i can dictate what it’s going to look like after the revolution. i do know what i won’t tolerate.

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          8 months ago

          I do know what i won’t tolerate.

          So? It’s not like you’ve got consensus authority to destroy them. Though it does sound like you would try to anyway

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          8 months ago

          are the soviets operated with consent and consensus?

          Is this material to whether the soviet is concentrating power? Either way you have a small group of people making legislative and executive actions.

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            8 months ago

            Is this material to whether the soviet is concentrating power?

            a system that operates with consent and consensus has no authority.

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              8 months ago

              Okay, you need to actually define authority, because I feel like each anarchist I’ve encountered has a different definition.

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                8 months ago

                I know this was lazy. but I think it’s good enough.

                edit: oh. this is a bit better

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        8 months ago

        Thats some right libertarian hyper-individualist hogwash. Stop being alienated from your fellow workers.

        i have no problem working with my neighbors. i have big problems with someone tellingme how we should do that.

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            8 months ago

            if we’re working together I’m going to say how I think we should work.

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              8 months ago

              And I’m going to tell you you’re wrong. And then I’m going to find people who actually want to change the status quo for the better to work together with.

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                8 months ago

                implying that I don’t want to change the status quo doesn’t change whether I do.

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                    8 months ago

                    You’re starting to sound like the liberals that tell me to vote for Biden.

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                    8 months ago

                    I’m the authority on what I want. there’s no evidence that you could produce that would undercut my claim.