USSR and China aren’t really communist countries. They are, at best, revisionist. They are command economies with state-capitalism and authoritarian rulers that definitely have different social classes. While USSR ostensibly got rid of personal property, that just entailed the authoritarian owning everything. Both countries lied to the people to get a socialist revolution started and then seized all power for their party (which don’t exist in communism).
With all due respect some parts are crudely wrong and some absurd, and the decisiveness with which you state it is unjustified and makes it hard to take you seriously.
USSR ostensibly got rid of personal property
Absolutely not. They got rid of private property. Personal property means the ownership over your personal belongings. Private property is the ownership of non-governmental entities.
What existed in the USSR was public property - the property of the state
USSR was state-capitalist
Also: No.
Capitalism is defined by the existence of private property, concretely the private ownership of the means of production. There was no private property.
There also were no competitive markets, no “free” price systems nor a ubiquitous profit motive, no finance capital and certainly more characteristics of capitalism.
You can’t call the USSR capitalist in any capacity, that would be ignorant, the best label to assign it I’ve heard is: “state-socialist”.
Both countries lied to the people to get a socialist revolution started
Where is that from? NED weekly magazine?;)
The USSR did fail the people in many regards, sometimes criminally so, and its important to learn from them, but for that to happen we must undertake a serious attempt at understanding them.
There is a lot of neoliberal propaganda (“history is written by the winners” etc).
I didn’t talk about China bc calling it capitalist is significantly less absurd but rest assured I don’t subscribe to your statement.
Obligatory Michael Parenti
No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except for the ones that succeed
Its forgivable we have all been molded by the propaganda of out capitalist ruling class, but we can’t be content with that.
In the end you seem to be making a nod to communism, if that is true then stay on course we need a better socialism but we can’t expect to have it if we’re not willing to learn
USSR and China aren’t really communist countries. They are, at best, revisionist. They are command economies with state-capitalism and authoritarian rulers that definitely have different social classes. While USSR ostensibly got rid of personal property, that just entailed the authoritarian owning everything. Both countries lied to the people to get a socialist revolution started and then seized all power for their party (which don’t exist in communism).
China is about as communist as the DPRK is democratic.
With all due respect some parts are crudely wrong and some absurd, and the decisiveness with which you state it is unjustified and makes it hard to take you seriously.
Absolutely not. They got rid of private property. Personal property means the ownership over your personal belongings. Private property is the ownership of non-governmental entities. What existed in the USSR was public property - the property of the state
Also: No. Capitalism is defined by the existence of private property, concretely the private ownership of the means of production. There was no private property.
There also were no competitive markets, no “free” price systems nor a ubiquitous profit motive, no finance capital and certainly more characteristics of capitalism.
You can’t call the USSR capitalist in any capacity, that would be ignorant, the best label to assign it I’ve heard is: “state-socialist”.
Where is that from? NED weekly magazine?;)
The USSR did fail the people in many regards, sometimes criminally so, and its important to learn from them, but for that to happen we must undertake a serious attempt at understanding them. There is a lot of neoliberal propaganda (“history is written by the winners” etc).
I didn’t talk about China bc calling it capitalist is significantly less absurd but rest assured I don’t subscribe to your statement.
Obligatory Michael Parenti
Its forgivable we have all been molded by the propaganda of out capitalist ruling class, but we can’t be content with that. In the end you seem to be making a nod to communism, if that is true then stay on course we need a better socialism but we can’t expect to have it if we’re not willing to learn