• Magnetar@feddit.de
    34·
    9 months ago

    They are great, but I have two issues with my left handed one:

    • Right handed people just cannot use it, I can’t just give someone else my mouse for a minute.
    • For some stupid reason, the left and right mouse button are switched, so now I have to switch it back in software, so now the buttons on my laptop touchpad are switched.
    • HornedMeatBeast@lemmy.world
      351·
      9 months ago

      The IT manager at my previous job used this as a security feature.

      People thought that because he was the IT manager he could just get another mouse, so they’d just take his when they left their mouse at home and never return it.

      So he got a left handed vertical mouse even though he is right handed.

      Nobody steals his mouse now because it is vertical and cannot be used in the right hand.

      • SeedyOne@lemm.ee
        9·
        9 months ago

        We had a guy learn Dvorak specifically so no one could take his keyboard. Madman or brilliant?

        • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          9 months ago

          Can’t you just go into system settings and have it function as qwerty? You wouldn’t be able to hunt for a key, but if you touch type it shouldn’t matter.

          • halfway_neko@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            1·
            9 months ago

            I think if the keyboard had dvorak in it’s firmware (rather than set on the pc) you would need a dvorak-to-qwerty conversion setting which I’ve never seen on a pc.

            Most custom layouts (mine included) just assume the keyboard is sending qwerty.

    • boringbisexual@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      4·
      9 months ago

      I’ve got a left handed mouse with switched buttons. I’m so used to it now that it takes a good 5 seconds for me to figure out how a normal mouse works.

      • Magnetar@feddit.de
        3·
        9 months ago

        I’ve used the standard button layout of a right handed mouse all my life, I’m not suddenly switching now.

  • GombeenSysadmin@lemmy.world
    321·
    9 months ago

    As an IT support person, the problem I have with these mice is that the left mouse button is also on the vertical. So when heavy-handed users click on a file in explorer, they also slightly drag down, so the file “disappears” into a folder, and now it’s a support ticket to get the file restored.

    Sigh.

    • Smoogs@lemmy.world
      1·
      9 months ago

      I was remembering just now I used to have one but I gave up on it almost immediately after using irl Thanks for reminding me why I quickly moved on from vertical mouse.

  • Yuumi@lemmy.worldEnglish
    26·
    9 months ago

    I need me a Logitech G502 hero equivalent but vertical, no way I’m giving up all these extra quick buttons

    • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.ml
      10·
      9 months ago

      Really love the feel of my Logitech G pro tbh. Super clicky, light, and smooth. The texture of the material is great too.

      It’s not at all ergonomic bc it is an ambidextrous design but it hasn’t bothered me yet and I use my PC way more than I should.

    • Heavybell@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      9 months ago

      I’m with you, that or a g903 equivalent. But it has to have Lightning and Powerplay support.

    • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      9 months ago

      I’m not sure I want completely vertical on a 502 variant, but angled maybe 30 degrees from where it is and the thumb buttons moved back a hair would be my ideal mouse.

    • Thrashy@lemmy.world
      5·
      9 months ago

      I have a couple friends that play PC games on old-school Trackman trackballs. The amount of griping when we play a game with something bound by default to the mousewheel is INCREDIBLE.

      • beefcat@lemmy.world
        6·
        9 months ago

        That’s like using a Dvorak keyboard and complaining that games default to WASD bindings. This is the exact reason why key remapping is a standard feature on PC games but not on consoles

        • Thrashy@lemmy.world
          21·
          9 months ago

          The old Trackmans have very limited inputs relative to modern gaming mice. There are some trackballs with scroll wheels, but they have different ergonomics (you rotate the ball with your thumb rather than your index, middle, and ring fingers) that my buddies aren’t fond of.

          Given that theirs is a very niche use case, I don’t think anybody’s gonna make a trackball to suit them that also has a scroll wheel, but I guess if somebody was motivated enough, there’s an opportunity for some sort of ESP-based open source hardware.

          • beefcat@lemmy.world
            2·
            9 months ago

            Right, but ultimately their complaint is that a game has actions bound to a scroll wheel and they could simply rebind those actions to something else.

            Though the complaint does become legitimate if they are playing one of the handful of poor PC ports out there that lacks key remapping (cough*transformerswarforcybertron*cough)

  • Lath@kbin.social
    21·
    9 months ago

    When a mouse and a joystick love each other very much, this is the end result.

  • banneryear1868@lemmy.world
    21·
    9 months ago

    A cautionary tale if you’re considering.

    Years ago someone left my employer abruptly, and on their desk was left a fancy vertical mouse. It sat there for a few days, and I kept glancing over, at first ambivalent, but as time passed the temptation increased. I debated the dilemma of becoming a vertical mouse person, was that really for me? Eventually I succumbed and thought hey it’s worth a try, see what it’s like to be one of them… pure learning opportunity…

    Then something happened… I got used to it in about a half hour and in the first day my precision improved. A sudden urge came over me to tell all my coworkers, was I really becoming one of those people so fast? Trying to resist was futile and within a couple days I became a vertical mouse person, always wanting to tell everyone how great they are, constantly resisting the urge. I forgot what life was like with a horizontal mouse, and I never looked back.

  • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
    191·
    9 months ago

    i find these WAY more painful to use than a normal mouse, it puts all my weight on that hemispherical bit in the wrist and the angle is just slightly off being the neutral position for my hand so it’s instead constantly putting stress on the arm…

    i want one that’s just slightly more tilted than a normal mouse.

  • Sendero@lemmy.worldEnglish
    16·
    9 months ago

    Any suggestions for a good quality vertical? The one the office purchased for me feels cheap and the time-to-sleep is too short(mouse doesn’t wake on motion).

    • Pirky@lemmy.world
      15·
      9 months ago

      The two I’ve used are the one in the image (it’s from Anker, I forget the model) and Logitech’s MX Vertical (they have a second, smaller version if the original is too big). I’ve been maining the Vertical the past 4 years for work and personal use.
      Both have pros and cons:
      Anker is cheaper. ~$35 vs ~$80. Also has a built in slot to put the receiver in when not in use.
      It curves with your hand more than the Vertical.
      Anker uses easily replaceable AAA batteries. Usually lasted me about 3 months before I needed to swap them. I only used it for work though.

      The Vertical can connect to 3 different devices (1 dongle, 2 Bluetooth) whereas Anker is limited to whatever the dongle is connected to.
      The Vertical is made of better feeling materials; like a rubber for extra grip vs hard plastic with the Anker.
      There’s a USB C port to charge its (not easily replaceable) battery.
      Edit: Vertical won’t go to “sleep” like the Anker will. If the Anker isn’t touched for X minutes, it will go to sleep and you’ll have to click one of the switches to wake it. Otherwise moving it won’t move the cursor. Not that huge of an issue, but definitely annoying if you don’t know what’s going on.

      There is a design flaw with the Vertical. Logitech, like with other mice, use the wrong switches in it. The mouse operates at very low voltage and current; lower than what the switches are rated for. This leads to corrosion building up on the metal switches, leading to incomplete/missed clicks, phantom double clicks, or impossible to hold a click.
      I actually had to go into my Vertical, desolder the old switches and replace them with new ones (I think I went with Kale’s light blue switches). I did that in summer '22 and haven’t had any issues since.
      The rubber material is also showing wear and tear where my fingers sit, but that’s just cosmetic.

      I got the Anker one for my mom holiday '22 and she’s been happy with it. It helped the discomfort in her hand.
      Both mice improved the stiffness in my right hand, so either one will get the job done. I will also say that there is a bit of an adjustment period. Surprisingly, changing the angle of your hand kind of throws you off and takes some getting used to. Before my office went remote, my coworkers would avoid using it because it wasn’t easy for them to switch to for just a short period of time.

      Hopefully this info is helpful. I can try answering any questions you have on them, but those are the only two I have experience in.

        • Pirky@lemmy.world
          2·
          9 months ago

          The Anker doesn’t have a port to use wired. But you can with the Logitech. You can also use it while it’s charging.

      • Rodeo@lemmy.ca
        2·
        9 months ago

        There is a design flaw with the Vertical. Logitech, like with other mice, use the wrong switches in it. The mouse operates at very low voltage and current; lower than what the switches are rated for. This leads to corrosion building up on the metal switches, leading to incomplete/missed clicks, phantom double clicks, or impossible to hold a click.

        Wow that is a major screw up. Probably part of the planned obsolescence though.

        • Pirky@lemmy.world
          1·
          9 months ago

          It’s very possible. It happened to a previous Logitech mouse of mine, which led to me using a Razer for the next 6 years. And with how much work it was to take this apart, I could see them wanting me to just buy a new $80-100 mouse every two years.

          I went down a rabbit hole to find this info out. People dug deep trying to find what was going on with the switches.

      • doppydrop@lemmy.ca
        3·
        9 months ago

        I’ve tried so many vertical mice, but for some reason this one worked out the best for me. It kind of feels cheap compared to others, but I’ve had it for a number of years and I haven’t found anything that can top it. It’s worth trying out if anyone is on the fence since it is priced under $20.

    • YaksDC@lemmy.world
      1·
      9 months ago

      I thought you reached into my brain and posted this for me. 😂 I have exactly the same problem.

      • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
        1·
        9 months ago

        I hate how mechanical keyboards set ergonomics back 30 years.

        Instead of starting with the great ergonomic layouts of MS Natural etc and adding superior switches, mechanical keyboard manufacturers went back to the 1970’s with super flat designs.

  • swag_money@lemmy.world
    151·
    9 months ago

    so i love my mx master and i use the freewheeling scroll wheel all the time. the mx vertical mouse has a standard scroll wheel :p

    • Case@lemmynsfw.com
      41·
      9 months ago

      I personally dislike the freewheel scroll overall.

      Then again, the only time I’m really thinking about what features a mouse has, it’s for gaming so I like a little more precision and tactile feedback.

      For everything else I do, a mouse is a mouse.

      Unless it’s one of those BS apple ones with no right click. Those make me unreasonably upset.

      • 0ops@lemm.ee
        2·
        9 months ago

        The MX Master is a great mouse, but it’s definitely not a gaming mouse. It’s way too heavy. I don’t game on my PC much, but I’d definitely get a second mouse if I did. As for non-gaming stuff, the freewheel scroll is great for quickly moving through large documents. It’s hard to go without it now that I’m used to it, though I had to fine-tune the speed threshold before I could appreciate it

  • HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world
    12·
    9 months ago

    I had constant wrist pain and switched to evoluent vertical mouse in like 2015 and haven’t had pain since. And it’s an added layer of security

    • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      I had the exact same scenario! Just a few years before your issue, I fell and landed on my right hand, straining my wrist. It wasn’t broken, but it was really sore and months later it still hurt just as badly, so I went to a doctor. He said the tendons and the sheath they go through were likely inflamed, and all my mousing (both work and home) was probably keeping it inflamed. I switched to the evoluent at work and a Logitech thumb ball at home, and two weeks later I was fine.

  • BringMeTheDiscoKing@lemmy.caEnglish
    112·
    9 months ago

    How far have you sent your vertical mouse flying off the desk?

    I know you’ve done it. Right after you typed that thing and went to click that button.

    Life is hard for vertical mice.