• discostjohn@programming.dev
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      10 months ago

      Your logic implies that a hundred cows are killed to source a single burger. That’s not how that works. Be vegan, but don’t be stupid.

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        10 months ago

        My math was bad admittedly - I didn’t take into account that most or all of those patties likely came from the same processing facility; so that even if 100 body parts are in one patty, 100 patties might contain the tissues of the same 100 cows that were slaughtered. In all that table might be a picture of 100, 1,000, or 10,000 body parts mutilated beyond recognition and mixed together.

        My intent was not to suggest that it takes 100 cows to make one burger, that would be untrue. My intent was to point out exactly what the article was getting at, which is to recognize that when someone looks at most ground meat products, they are looking at a grotesque slurry of what used to be not just one living being, but the combined flesh of as many as a hundred or more once-living sentient beings.

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        10 months ago

        Be vegan, but don’t be stupid.

        I think you found the problem there, sport.

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          10 months ago

          what they asked is how many died for the bun. not whether you think that line of reasoning is sufficient to discourage veganism.

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            10 months ago

            Yes, and odds are they are asking as a way to bring up the idea of how many animals are killed in order to harvest plant crops. If you had bothered to go to the link, it would have at least somewhat answered your question because the short version is: fundamentally, significantly less than the amount of animals killed to produce meat.

            All it takes is to think it through. If harvesting crops kills a lot of animals (which as the link shows, is already significantly less than some assholes made it up to be), then raising animals for food automatically kills even more animals because it takes way more crops to feed the animals that are raised for meat or dairy, than it takes to just feed humans directly.

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              10 months ago

              If you had bothered to go to the link,

              Ed is quoting some pretty misleading statistics to support your point. if this is the best that you have, you might want to reconsider your position.

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                  10 months ago

                  about 85% of all soybeans are pressed for oil for human uses. but a soybean is only about 20% oil altogether. that leaves 69% of the soybeans as industrial waste. feeding that industrial waste to animals is actually conserving resources.

                  so it’s not even true that the land used to make food for animals isn’t used to make food for people: it’s the same land.

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                    10 months ago

                    That makes no sense. Every part of a soybean can be made for human uses - textured vegetable protein (tvp) is de-fatted soy, for example. 7% of soy is going for human consumption, because that’s how much demand there is for it. Just as the vast majority of soy production is being used to raise animals for food, because that’s how the economics works. You can see the cited study and more in greater detail in this article - which also shows how cattle farming is in and of itself the single largest driver of Amazon deforestation.

                    https://ourworldindata.org/soy

                    And this article is a primer on feed conversion ratios, which demonstrates why eating plants directly will always be fundamentally more efficient and better for the environment than raising animals for food ever can be.

                    https://www.pbs.org/wnet/peril-and-promise/2022/03/feed-conversion-ratios-help-explain-meats-outsized-climate-impact/