How many burgers were served? Multiply that by a hundred to get an estimate of how many innocent cows were slaughtered for this circus. But sure, it being cheap food is the thing to complain about.
My math was bad admittedly - I didn’t take into account that most or all of those patties likely came from the same processing facility; so that even if 100 body parts are in one patty, 100 patties might contain the tissues of the same 100 cows that were slaughtered. In all that table might be a picture of 100, 1,000, or 10,000 body parts mutilated beyond recognition and mixed together.
My intent was not to suggest that it takes 100 cows to make one burger, that would be untrue. My intent was to point out exactly what the article was getting at, which is to recognize that when someone looks at most ground meat products, they are looking at a grotesque slurry of what used to be not just one living being, but the combined flesh of as many as a hundred or more once-living sentient beings.
If you’re referring to crop deaths, you should know that nonsense has been so thoroughly debunked that anyone should feel embarrassed to be perpetuating that lie still.
Yes, and odds are they are asking as a way to bring up the idea of how many animals are killed in order to harvest plant crops. If you had bothered to go to the link, it would have at least somewhat answered your question because the short version is: fundamentally, significantly less than the amount of animals killed to produce meat.
All it takes is to think it through. If harvesting crops kills a lot of animals (which as the link shows, is already significantly less than some assholes made it up to be), then raising animals for food automatically kills even more animals because it takes way more crops to feed the animals that are raised for meat or dairy, than it takes to just feed humans directly.
about 85% of all soybeans are pressed for oil for human uses. but a soybean is only about 20% oil altogether. that leaves 69% of the soybeans as industrial waste. feeding that industrial waste to animals is actually conserving resources.
so it’s not even true that the land used to make food for animals isn’t used to make food for people: it’s the same land.
That makes no sense. Every part of a soybean can be made for human uses - textured vegetable protein (tvp) is de-fatted soy, for example. 7% of soy is going for human consumption, because that’s how much demand there is for it. Just as the vast majority of soy production is being used to raise animals for food, because that’s how the economics works. You can see the cited study and more in greater detail in this article - which also shows how cattle farming is in and of itself the single largest driver of Amazon deforestation.
And this article is a primer on feed conversion ratios, which demonstrates why eating plants directly will always be fundamentally more efficient and better for the environment than raising animals for food ever can be.
How many burgers were served? Multiply that by a hundred to get an estimate of how many innocent cows were slaughtered for this circus. But sure, it being cheap food is the thing to complain about.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/08/05/there-are-a-lot-more-cows-in-a-single-hamburger-than-you-realize/
Your logic implies that a hundred cows are killed to source a single burger. That’s not how that works. Be vegan, but don’t be stupid.
My math was bad admittedly - I didn’t take into account that most or all of those patties likely came from the same processing facility; so that even if 100 body parts are in one patty, 100 patties might contain the tissues of the same 100 cows that were slaughtered. In all that table might be a picture of 100, 1,000, or 10,000 body parts mutilated beyond recognition and mixed together.
My intent was not to suggest that it takes 100 cows to make one burger, that would be untrue. My intent was to point out exactly what the article was getting at, which is to recognize that when someone looks at most ground meat products, they are looking at a grotesque slurry of what used to be not just one living being, but the combined flesh of as many as a hundred or more once-living sentient beings.
Yeah that’s true. Pretty horrific when you picture it.
I think you found the problem there, sport.
I wonder how many mice died for the bun (and forests too)
If you’re referring to crop deaths, you should know that nonsense has been so thoroughly debunked that anyone should feel embarrassed to be perpetuating that lie still.
https://www.surgeactivism.org/articles/debunked-do-vegans-kill-more-animals-through-crop-deaths
what they asked is how many died for the bun. not whether you think that line of reasoning is sufficient to discourage veganism.
Yes, and odds are they are asking as a way to bring up the idea of how many animals are killed in order to harvest plant crops. If you had bothered to go to the link, it would have at least somewhat answered your question because the short version is: fundamentally, significantly less than the amount of animals killed to produce meat.
All it takes is to think it through. If harvesting crops kills a lot of animals (which as the link shows, is already significantly less than some assholes made it up to be), then raising animals for food automatically kills even more animals because it takes way more crops to feed the animals that are raised for meat or dairy, than it takes to just feed humans directly.
Ed is quoting some pretty misleading statistics to support your point. if this is the best that you have, you might want to reconsider your position.
Would you care to elaborate on what’s misleading about these statistics?
about 85% of all soybeans are pressed for oil for human uses. but a soybean is only about 20% oil altogether. that leaves 69% of the soybeans as industrial waste. feeding that industrial waste to animals is actually conserving resources.
so it’s not even true that the land used to make food for animals isn’t used to make food for people: it’s the same land.
That makes no sense. Every part of a soybean can be made for human uses - textured vegetable protein (tvp) is de-fatted soy, for example. 7% of soy is going for human consumption, because that’s how much demand there is for it. Just as the vast majority of soy production is being used to raise animals for food, because that’s how the economics works. You can see the cited study and more in greater detail in this article - which also shows how cattle farming is in and of itself the single largest driver of Amazon deforestation.
https://ourworldindata.org/soy
And this article is a primer on feed conversion ratios, which demonstrates why eating plants directly will always be fundamentally more efficient and better for the environment than raising animals for food ever can be.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/peril-and-promise/2022/03/feed-conversion-ratios-help-explain-meats-outsized-climate-impact/
your assumption of bad faith is itself bad faith
This isn’t formal debate school. Welcome to the real internet.
this is a thought-terminating cliche
like I don’t know who earthling ed is